Re: Camden marks

by Guest Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:41 pm

Did seem odd that he would have ran in the "classic" and under 18's 400's.
So if he didnt then how many others have results that didnt run in other events or at other carnivals??

Where did the time come from? Have others had win penalty reductions with similar mistakes? If this can happen then whats to say base marks have been calculated correctly?

by SA Whisperer Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pm

Top Sport wrote:Did seem odd that he would have ran in the "classic" and under 18's 400's.
So if he didnt then how many others have results that didnt run in other events or at other carnivals??

Where did the time come from? Have others had win penalty reductions with similar mistakes? If this can happen then whats to say base marks have been calculated correctly?

The time came from the athlete that actually ran, all Im saying is , it wasnt Poole and the saal need to fix the results up.
How often does this happen.
Open and transparent.
This is what happens when the Stewards and the handicappers dont know the athletes by sight.
I would suggest someone from the saal pms me or go back and look at the photo finish footage, it aint Poole

by Z Score Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:17 pm

Hi SA Whisperer,
I was preoccupied during the running of the early heats.So my judgement was based purely on results.
So if what you are saying is correct , then data has again been entered incorrectly into the computer , very similar to the Bay 70m.

by SA Whisperer Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:00 pm

Yep Zed, they cant be told.Least of all they hate to get told from this forum, that really irks them. The results of Heat one are incorrect and if those results are used in the system , it will lead to all sorts of reprcussions down the track.
All they need to do is go and ask Poole , did you run last in heat one.
Not hard to do , I wouldnt think.

by SA Whisperer Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:05 pm

In case they need help , this is what I have in my program.
Go and ask Jarrad , its not rocket science

Event 129 - 400m Mens Camden Classic - Heat: 1
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Tom Perry Pink 37.00m 48.32 48.32 1.25 1.07
2 Gras Amekata Blue 21.00m 49.22 49.22 0.09 0.09
3 Toby Cook Green 26.00m 49.64 49.64 -0.93 -0.22
4 Ryan Atkins White 12.00m 49.79 49.79 -0.82 -0.75
5 Dylan Stenson Red 6.00m 50.73 50.73 -1.50 -1.56
6 Luke Bero Yellow 25.00m 52.36 52.36 -1.83 -1.61
7 Jarrad Dartnall 2 40.00m 53.49 53.49

by SA Whisperer Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:16 am

Results still have not been changed , therefore if The Dartman has penalties from a win hanging over his handicap , it aint going to come off as he , according to the results , didnt run.
Also been on the dog and bone to Gossips regarding number from last week, Gossips told me last year almost 300 athletes ran, this year with the return of the event to the new clubrooms , pavers and a great day, climate wise , they should have been lining up down Anzac Highway to run, around 250 ran. OUCH !

by Guest Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:37 pm

Yep SAW, last year there were 293 competing athletes this year 252. Every meet since the competing numbers have dropped by a similar %. These numbers are down on last years numbers which are down again on the year prior by a similar % as well. If you have a business and your sales drop approx 15% year on year you have a problem, a big problem.
Due to the cross over of age groups competing in the different age groups eg under 18's in open or Over 35's in open events means the actual number of athletes is far less.

by SA Whisperer Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:40 pm

Top Sport wrote:Yep SAW, last year there were 293 competing athletes this year 252. Every meet since the competing numbers have dropped by a similar %. These numbers are down on last years numbers which are down again on the year prior by a similar % as well. If you have a business and your sales drop approx 15% year on year you have a problem, a big problem.
Due to the cross over of age groups competing in the different age groups eg under 18's in open or Over 35's in open events means the actual number of athletes is far less.

So the figures of 300 and 250 that Gossips supplied me are pretty well spot on.
How much longer can sponsors keep putting their hand in their pockets for this crap.
No one stays anymore to watch the other races, others are only arriving in time to run then leave , the whole culture is becoming very toxic.
No atmoshere
No appreciation of a sash.
Nearly two thirds didnt want it by the surveys .
Results wrong and not gettting changed.
What did you say about that turd T.S
Those athletes that were on the committee last season pushing the good thing, Leah Watkins, Zoe Steele, Dan Semmler, Bryce Watkins, where are they this season.

by Z Score Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:50 pm

Top Sport wrote:Yep SAW, last year there were 293 competing athletes this year 252. Every meet since the competing numbers have dropped by a similar %. These numbers are down on last years numbers which are down again on the year prior by a similar % as well. If you have a business and your sales drop approx 15% year on year you have a problem, a big problem.
Due to the cross over of age groups competing in the different age groups eg under 18's in open or Over 35's in open events means the actual number of athletes is far less.

You are spot on T.S. when you compare it to running a business. If you are running a business and you dont provide or make available to the customers what they want , you will go broke.
How many people actually on the committee actually run their own business ?
It just so easy to to not make the correct decisions when the money you are using isnt yours.
Been in both positions.
I would say keep the system for underage and Over 35 but revert back to the old system for the Open. Do that and the athletes will treturn.

by SA Whisperer Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:18 pm

Still waiting for the Stewards report.
Are they still trying to chase up the Dartman and ask him if he ran in heat 1 and they got the results wrong.I can tell them 1/ yes Dartman ran , and 2/ the results are incorrect.
Are they still trying to work out the track rating , Last year it was rated fast and adjustment was made to 400m but not the 8oom , dont know how you can do that.This year it was a slow 6 at Morphettville next door last race Sat but no adjustment made at Camden.
Got to be standard , standard something or else there should have been an adjustment , the preceedence has been set.
Lets go with Standard slow 6 grass , that should do it.

by Guest Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:43 pm

No mention in the stewards report Whisperer!

by SA Whisperer Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:29 pm

Hey T. S. Stewards report just out. Laughing

Next time you are down Camden way , can you duck in and get a piece of Immanual college Fast grass and a piece of Camden oval standard grass so I know the difference in future , Immanual an adjustment on times and Camden , not Laughing

Cant wait for Loxton because Loxton is always a belter. But wait the apprentices were sent up there last season and no one did an adjustment for fast grass on a belter , so same belter of a track this season cant be anything else than ...wait ....for it....STANDARD.
So they are paying people to travel for the two main events.Thats desperation.For as long as I can remember the two main events at Loxton have always been the 120m men and 300m womens. Not this season the goal posts have been moved
And lets move them again , lets change the target time , reduce the handicaps and try and get the winner under 10m. Laughing

to make it look like the system works and if it doesnt work at Loxton then change it again for Flaggy.

by StevieBee Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:59 pm

SA Whisperer wrote: Hey T. S. Stewards report just out.
Next time you are down Camden way , can you duck in and get a piece of Immanual college Fast grass and a piece of Camden oval standard grass so I know the difference in future , Immanual an adjustment on times and Camden , not
Cant wait for Loxton because Loxton is always a belter. But wait the apprentices were sent up there last season and no one did an adjustment for fast grass on a belter , so same belter of a track this season cant be anything else than ...wait ....for it....STANDARD.
So they are paying people to travel for the two main events.Thats desperation.For as long as I can remember the two main events at Loxton have always been the 120m men and 300m womens. Not this season the goal posts have been moved
And lets move them again , lets change the target time , reduce the handicaps and try and get the winner under 10m. to make it look like the system works and if it doesnt work at Loxton then change it again for Flaggy.

Hey guys, sorry I'm back for AA - Lockdown made Steve a silly boy!

Hey Whispers, can you tell me if the Camden entries got 20$? Looks definitely like a desperate plea to get people to go!

by Runforit Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:19 pm

I’m curious on the earlier comment as a VAL Vet, Z Score. Does anyone else in SA believe the system works for Vets and underage (I assume u mean in their own race category rather than open?). If so why? Also curious as to how the vets are faring in open races...appreciate this is a self interested question and many contributors to this forum won’t care!

by Guest Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Runforit wrote:I’m curious on the earlier comment as a VAL Vet, Z Score. Does anyone else in SA believe the system works for Vets and underage (I assume u mean in their own race category rather than open?). If so why? Also curious as to how the vets are faring in open races...appreciate this is a self interested question and many contributors to this forum won’t care!

The parameters keep changing, many times last season and twice for this season so far. We were told on some of the changes in the new year but others were also being considered and once they were decided we would be informed. I cant say I have seen anything added or changed since or at least if it was it wasnt released via team app.

The Vets and the under age groups are fairing very well from the system. I mean look at the Womens Bay 120m winner only 1 run in an under 18's 120 before the Bay and then roles up and wins it as an example. Plenty of good results for the Vets this season so far too.
IMO despite the parameter changes it is still more favourable for the unders and overs.

Probs best to not worry about z-scores, just run your best all the time. Your z-scores come from your results not what category you run in. Run consistent or gradually improve you'll be fine. Its designed to pickup if you dramatically improve.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

by Z Score Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:15 pm

One of the big reasons in doing away with the older handicapping sysyem and going with the current model was there was a perception too much favourtism was being handed out under the older system.
However we now have 5 handicappers that are over riding the system using discretionary powers .
So whats changed.
In answer to your question Runforit, underage and older athletes are being heavily advantaged under this current system and the bread and butter open athlete with a lot of history in the system is at a disadvantage.
T.S. highlighted the winner at the Bay 120m, the biggest embarrassment I have seen this season is an over 35 athlete who is a handicapper winning the 300m open at Kensington by almost one second.
If you arent an over 35 athlete , underage or new than you may as well bend over pay your money and take it.

by SA Whisperer Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:11 am

I feel really sorry for The Dartman, can no longer say he ran in x amount CONSECTATIVE Camden Classics as well as being a winner because the results do not support it.
The saal know Heat 1 results are incorrect but because The Whisperer brought it to their attention they wont change it.
The real sad thing about all of this is that Jenny Poole , recently added to the committee and who works in the office knows her son didnt run in the first heat but does nothing. Or isnt allowed to.
You walk past something that is wrong and dont do anything , you are as guilty as the others.

by Z Score Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:15 pm

Z Score wrote:The After Party at the GFC after the Bay Sheff was a real fizzer and is still fizzing.The after party after Camden was relocated to the GFC for a reason and dont be suprised if the presentation night gets the gig there as well.
.

Now been announced what Zed told you weeks ago
SAVE THE DATE
The End of Season Presentation Dinner will be held at ACH Group Stadium (Glenelg Oval) on Saturday April 17. Further details will be provided in due course.
Dont worry the ACH Stadium were down right filthy with the Bay Sheffield After Party numbers and the saal is bending over backwards to kiss and make up.

by Z Score Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:29 pm

SA Whisperer wrote:I feel really sorry for The Dartman, can no longer say he ran in x amount CONSECTATIVE Camden Classics as well as being a winner because the results do not support it.
The saal know Heat 1 results are incorrect but because The Whisperer brought it to their attention they wont change it.
The real sad thing about all of this is that Jenny Poole , recently added to the committee and who works in the office knows her son didnt run in the first heat but does nothing. Or isnt allowed to.
You walk past something that is wrong and dont do anything , you are as guilty as the others.

Hey Whisperer
CHECK IT OUT, no Addmitting they were wrong, or they screwed up but it turns out Dartnal did run in the first heat at the Camden Classic
Yep they werent going to do anything until the result began affect Pooles ZSCORE, Well done Whisperer
They are not going to aknowledge they got it wront , just sneak it in and no one will know. Twisted Evil

Camden Classic - Feb 7th 2021
Event 129 - 400m Mens Camden Classic - Heat: 1
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Tom Perry Pink 37.00m 48.32 48.32 1.25 1.07
2 Gras Amekata Blue 21.00m 49.22 49.22 0.09 0.09
3 Toby Cook Green 26.00m 49.64 49.64 -0.93 -0.22
4 Ryan Atkins White 12.00m 49.79 49.79 -0.82 -0.75
5 Dylan Stenson Red 6.00m 50.73 50.73 -1.50 -1.56
6 Luke Bero Yellow 25.00m 52.36 52.36 -1.83 -1.61
7 Jarrad Dartnall 2 40.00m 53.49 53.49 -2.58 -1.97
- Maxwell Underwood Black 30.00m Scr Scr 0.00 0.00
- Xavier Poole 1 40.00m Scr Scr 0.00 0.00

by Z Score Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:31 pm

SA Whisperer wrote:In case they need help , this is what I have in my program.
Go and ask Jarrad , its not rocket science

Event 129 - 400m Mens Camden Classic - Heat: 1
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Tom Perry Pink 37.00m 48.32 48.32 1.25 1.07
2 Gras Amekata Blue 21.00m 49.22 49.22 0.09 0.09
3 Toby Cook Green 26.00m 49.64 49.64 -0.93 -0.22
4 Ryan Atkins White 12.00m 49.79 49.79 -0.82 -0.75
5 Dylan Stenson Red 6.00m 50.73 50.73 -1.50 -1.56
6 Luke Bero Yellow 25.00m 52.36 52.36 -1.83 -1.61
7 Jarrad Dartnall 2 40.00m 53.49 53.49

Spot on Whisperer

by Z Score Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:32 pm

SA Whisperer wrote:
Z Score wrote:The irony of it all is that, if Poole had concentrated wholly and soly on the Classic and ran off 40m and ran 7.437 MPS he probably would have looked the winner until the last 10metres.
Im sure looking back he made the wrong choice of race to concentrate on.
Hi Zed , you know what is the real irony of it all is, Poole didnt even run in the Classic heat, Ive checked my program for the scratchings and results and Poole certainly didnt run.
The saal has made a cock up and if these wrong results are being fed into the computer what hope have we got.This is what happens when you rush in officials and handicappers that dont know the athletes.
Colin and Ali I know you both read this , FIX the bloody mistake.
The only way I could be wrong is if, Poole changed his hair colour from black to blonde and back to black.
Event 129 - 400m Mens Camden Classic - Heat: 1
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Tom Perry Pink 37.00m 48.32 48.32 1.25 1.07
2 Gras Amekata Blue 21.00m 49.22 49.22 0.09 0.09
3 Toby Cook Green 26.00m 49.64 49.64 -0.93 -0.22
4 Ryan Atkins White 12.00m 49.79 49.79 -0.82 -0.75
5 Dylan Stenson Red 6.00m 50.73 50.73 -1.50 -1.56
6 Luke Bero Yellow 25.00m 52.36 52.36 -1.83 -1.61
7 Xavier Poole 1 40.00m 53.49 53.49 -1.92 -1.75

The results that the SAAL tried to cover up for weeks and weeks.
New results on the result page now.

by SA Whisperer Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:02 am

Thanks for that ZScore.
So they are not acknowledging their mistake.
But when Poole went
1Xavier Poole Black 35.00m 32.18 32.18 4.28 4.14
at Loxton they thought maybe just maybe that mistake we made at Camden with the results may affect his zscore.
Watch his zscore come down this weekend !!!!!!!! now the result has been amended.
They just dont want to listen, dont want to admit to mistakes and how many more in the system like this.
Lets do it ever so sneaky and quietly and hope no one notices , thanks zscore

by Z Score Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:15 pm

But now that they have tampered with the results,from weeks ago, all zed scores for that athlete since their mistake weeks ago are all incorrect.
And they want to explain how things work at a forum which very few people are going to attend

by Guest Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:42 pm

The z-score for the over 35 athlete that won Loxton was removed to give him back 2m for McKinnon only after alot of jumping up and down, and persistence.

by Z Score Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:00 pm

If the league had taken on board that they had made a mistake with the results , that means admitting they were wrong, Poole would not have had the handicap he had at Loxton , maybe not have won and most certainly not have run the rediculous zed scores he did,
But Hitler wouldnt listen either.

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