Camden marks

Who's got them? Waited for the marks but the SAAL lied again. Don't promise what you can't give

Hi Stevie , Im hearing that theres been quite a lot of ringing around as theres a huge embarrassment to the numbers set to run off 40m if the handicaps arent fudged.
And quite rightly so , you labelled the topic Camden marks , not Camden Classic marks because the nominations of senior athletes , Im hearing is a huge embarrassment.

Isn't Camden in 2 weeks time? Meaning we should have the handicaps next Monday not now? Surely they wouldn't have handicaps out two weeks before a race, not even the VAL does that....

Yup thinking you're jumping the gun here a bit! Website says comp day is the 7th of Feb would then expect the marks out on the 1st of Feb

Hey Mr Bee, might want to wait until next week for this post. Just say oops, sorry and delete post.

Top Sport wrote:Hey Mr Bee, might want to wait until next week for this post. Just say oops, sorry and delete post.

Look at the time Mr Bee posted , I think he likes his reds.

I have been talking to Gossips and he tells me that the 120m at Camden is looking very very ordinary.
I asked him how the so called Classic was going and he told me numbers were so so but class was apalling.
He told me that if you go to athleticssa rankings there is only about 1/3rd of the top 30 running in the 400m at Camden.
The league will be embarrassed by the number of athletes sitting over 30 in a Classic race with a limit of 40.
Pretty well be a 370 to 360m classic this season.
Gossips also told me Harvey is the one who has been sitting back smoking his pipe.

SA Whisperer wrote:I have been talking to Gossips and he tells me that the 120m at Camden is looking very very ordinary.
I asked him how the so called Classic was going and he told me numbers were so so but class was apalling.
He told me that if you go to athleticssa rankings there is only about 1/3rd of the top 30 running in the 400m at Camden.
The league will be embarrassed by the number of athletes sitting over 30 in a Classic race with a limit of 40.
Pretty well be a 370 to 360m classic this season.
Gossips also told me Harvey is the one who has been sitting back smoking his pipe.

Whisperer, is Gossips your mate on the committee?

Z Score wrote:

SA Whisperer wrote:I have been talking to Gossips and he tells me that the 120m at Camden is looking very very ordinary.
I asked him how the so called Classic was going and he told me numbers were so so but class was apalling.
He told me that if you go to athleticssa rankings there is only about 1/3rd of the top 30 running in the 400m at Camden.
The league will be embarrassed by the number of athletes sitting over 30 in a Classic race with a limit of 40.
Pretty well be a 370 to 360m classic this season.
Gossips also told me Harvey is the one who has been sitting back smoking his pipe.

Whisperer, is Gossips your mate on the committee?

The handicaps for the 2021 City of West Torrens Camden Classic Carnival will be released tomorrow (Monday) night at 10pm.

As previously advised, the target time for 400m Men’s races has been changed to 48 seconds.

Ahh, going by the Essential Docs released on Oct 20 2020 on Target times and Novice marks for the season, the 400m mens is and already was 48 seconds?

My mate Gossips from the committee told me, the target time has been changed to try and get more runners handicapped under the limit.
Also told me that the Vic athletes have been allocated pretty good marks so they come over.
Slightly better than they run off in Vic but he wouldnt elaborate.
So Im guessing Jai Perry 28 0r 29

The SAAL seems to be full of smoke and mirrors to try and hide the bandaids they keep applying. Problem is the League haemoraging !!

The League did an adjustment on times for circle events because of Fast Grass at the Bay, can someome tell me what adjustment they do for Stawell when that track is faster grass when they put those results into the model, if theres no adjustment then those athletes that run there are disadvantaged.

There is No adjustment at Stawell. It’s a premium track with genuine results.

Willo the Whisp wrote:There is No adjustment at Stawell.  It’s a premium track with genuine results.

The athletes that ran at the Bay had a circle track adjustment done to their times to give them a slower time on a fast grass , which is then entered into the computer what I am querying is , those athletes that run at Stawell on a premium track much quicker track than at Brighton oval but get no adjustment are disadvantaged.

Track adjustments...from a grass track. Insane.

In the VAL,
The only tracks that need allowance are synthetic, where you should allow 1sec per lap and .1 for 70/100/120.

Bendigo is considered pretty much as a synthetic here and those allowances are nearly always are applied.

Down hill tracks, or tracks that create unrealistic results are ignored in sampling processes.

Otherwise all tracks get the times they ran. For sampling purposes most athletes sample all come from the better tracks ie - Stawell, Waverley, Wang, Keillor etc or Bendigo with its adjustments.

These samples are only used for RPM calculations. The VAL have clauses and rules about lifting irrespective of the mathematical RPMs thus avoiding plonking runners out on the plonked mark like they are doing in SA.

VAL do not downgrade any other tracks or quicken them up to try and make the data comparable from meet to meet. The use common sense to compare performance from meet to meet and from improvement against peers having regard to peaking, etc with regard to length of time since last run. Common sense applied to improvement or PB with the greater the period away the more grace given etc.

The stupid Z score method in SAAL doesn’t allow for any of that and relies on trying to level up tracks mathematically which is totally flawed and impossible.
No common sense in SAAL. They have no comprehension of how to handle their data, manipulate their data, or use the data for fair process. In addition they have no common sense rules to evaluate all the factors, they simply rely on z scores which are weighted in favour of newer athletes and younger athletes.
Absolute shambles in SA.

Chad Ryan , why bother hopping on the plane.
You have disclosed form from competing at and showing support at the Camden meeting in the past.
You need at least 28m.
You have sinned , you know how you have sinned, by posting times at Bendigo and Ringwood exactly what Whisperer and Willo have been referring to.
If I was you I would be on that phone asap requesting at least 28, mate you are no smokey and if you dont get it , dont get on the plane.

And while Im here , wow the Calcutta will be a Cracker.

SA Whisperer wrote:My mate Gossips from the committee told me, the target time has been changed to try and get more runners handicapped under the limit.
Also told me that the Vic athletes have been allocated pretty good marks so they come over.
Slightly better than they run off in Vic but he wouldnt elaborate.
So Im guessing Jai Perry 28 0r 29

Hey Whisperer, did your committee mate Gossips mention anything about SAAL announcing the Flagstaff Hill meet that was on the event list at the start of the season is going ahead? Was highly unlikely but with some on again then off again uncertainty not that long ago it is now going ahead.

No doubt this will end up as another topic?

Hi T.S., When Jenni Poole was added to the committee , I said to Gossips , Why Jenni , shes in the office anyway , why not someone outside.
Gossips back then,  just told me to wait and I would find out what its all to do with.
Im hearing annouuncement later this week of the meeting at Pooles home deck being locked in, possible announcement Thurs , put on the app Fri

Its so funny , it could get a gig at the Adelaide Fringe.
Someone has adjusted the times for the Camden Classic last season.The track was set up at the very last minute so hardly Standard Fast and no need to knock .50 off the 400m times.
Track will be much quicker this week.
But heres the real hoot of it all, so desperate to going in to damage control , they have forgotten to do an adjustment for the Novice 800m
So you run 400m and get an adjustment of .50 and run 800m and no adjustment.
I like this model , I think I will just run 800s


Event 146 - 400m Mens Classic - Final:
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Liam Moss Green 26.00m 46.98 46.48 0.00 0.00
2 Deng Bulabek Black 27.00m 47.20 46.70 0.00 0.00
3 Bradley Harvey 1 37.00m 47.29 46.79 0.00 0.00
4 Luke Bero Pink 31.00m 47.51 47.01 0.00 0.00
5 Dylan Stenson Red 14.00m 47.57 47.07 0.00 0.00
6 Jack Doderico Yellow 25.00m 48.18 47.68 0.00 0.00
7 Ryan Atkins White 21.00m 48.32 47.82 0.00 0.00
8 Anthony De Ruvo Blue 22.00m 48.82 48.32

Event 153 - 800m Novice - Final:
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Nicholas Dallimore Blue 56.00m 1:50.98 1:50.98 0.00 0.00
2 Xavier Poole 2 105.00m 1:52.25 1:52.25 0.00 0.00
3 Aidan Ross White 50.00m 1:55.46 1:55.46 0.00 0.00
4 Hunter Window Black 76.00m 1:56.51 1:56.51 0.00 0.00
5 Monty Boey 3 116.00m 1:57.39 1:57.39 0.00 0.00
6 Liam Tappert Pink 91.00m 1:59.24 1:59.24 0.00 0.00
7 Blake Aldridge 1 105.00m 2:00.22 2:00.22 0.00 0.00
8 Rory White Yellow 56.00m 2:04.82 2:04.82 0.00 0.00
9 Gianny Scoleri Red 40.00m 2:09.82 2:09.82 0.00 0.00
- Ben Burbridge Green 67.00m Scr Scr 0.00 0.00

Z Score wrote:Chad Ryan , why bother hopping on the plane.
You have disclosed form from competing at and showing support at the Camden meeting in the past.
You need at least 28m.
You have sinned , you know how you have sinned, by posting times at Bendigo and Ringwood exactly what Whisperer and Willo have been referring to.
If I was you I would be on that phone asap requesting at least 28, mate you are no smokey and if you dont get it , dont get on the plane.

Im not sure what everyone else expected the Vics to have , but I thought around 30/31 for Chad given his previous runs here, Around 28/29 for Jai and about 35 for Tom , so hes done okay , but they all mays as well enjoy the weekend in Vic.
For the Girls I thought probably around 30 for Eleni and 35 for Rosamond so they have both done okay.If I was Eleni I think I would be on that plane as I think she can run a time which would put her on the dais..
Eleni , you have been very lucky with the xlotto , dont waste it, my moneys on you.

Not sure I totally agree. The marks look like they are back, so the Vic marks might not be as bad as they seem.

That said, it’s still lotto, and so is the performance as ore. Something I have no faith in and neither does 95% of the running community. If in PB shape compete at your own peril !!

Been on the dog and bone to Gossips and he told me Fast Grass will be the call of the day on Sun and 400m races will be adjusted by .50
He also assured me that the Belly Dancer hasnt been hired to perform.