Re: Loxton 2022

by Calimike Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:09 am

NovicePro wrote:To be fair the reduction in handicap for Greg seems fair to me.
Received a 10m lift at Camden at the Handicappers Discretion on the back of his appeal to make him more competitive as he had finished at the tail of the field most meets.
On the back of the lift, finds 6 seconds from his previous 400m run in the SAAL and nearly steals the win. Bit of a slap in the face to the SAAL I would have thought?

So the discretionary lift has been removed and he has been giving a 2m penalty for his 2nd placing at Camden. Hardly a disgrace.

Greg has been nothing but a supporter to the SAAL - very few Victorians have.
Honestly what would motivate him making the trip over to Victor? To get spat on by the handicappers again?
A 12m pull at his age is terrible.

by StevieBee Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:24 am

NovicePro wrote:To be fair the reduction in handicap for Greg seems fair to me.
Received a 10m lift at Camden at the Handicappers Discretion on the back of his appeal to make him more competitive as he had finished at the tail of the field most meets.
On the back of the lift, finds 6 seconds from his previous 400m run in the SAAL and nearly steals the win. Bit of a slap in the face to the SAAL I would have thought?

So the discretionary lift has been removed and he has been giving a 2m penalty for his 2nd placing at Camden. Hardly a disgrace.

Hey NP

So why not drag him back just the 2m. The fact he ran 2nd and is now worse off than the winner is the disgrace. Scrap the system and scrap the discretional lifts.

by NovicePro Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:31 am

StevieBee wrote:
NovicePro wrote:To be fair the reduction in handicap for Greg seems fair to me.
Received a 10m lift at Camden at the Handicappers Discretion on the back of his appeal to make him more competitive as he had finished at the tail of the field most meets.
On the back of the lift, finds 6 seconds from his previous 400m run in the SAAL and nearly steals the win. Bit of a slap in the face to the SAAL I would have thought?

So the discretionary lift has been removed and he has been giving a 2m penalty for his 2nd placing at Camden. Hardly a disgrace.

Hey NP

So why not drag him back just the 2m. The fact he ran 2nd and is now worse off than the winner is the disgrace. Scrap the system and scrap the discretional lifts.

If you scrap the discretional lifts then Greg is running off the correct mark this weekend? What am I missing here?

by StevieBee Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:47 am

NovicePro wrote:
StevieBee wrote:
NovicePro wrote:To be fair the reduction in handicap for Greg seems fair to me.
Received a 10m lift at Camden at the Handicappers Discretion on the back of his appeal to make him more competitive as he had finished at the tail of the field most meets.
On the back of the lift, finds 6 seconds from his previous 400m run in the SAAL and nearly steals the win. Bit of a slap in the face to the SAAL I would have thought?

So the discretionary lift has been removed and he has been giving a 2m penalty for his 2nd placing at Camden. Hardly a disgrace.

Hey NP

So why not drag him back just the 2m. The fact he ran 2nd and is now worse off than the winner is the disgrace. Scrap the system and scrap the discretional lifts.

If you scrap the discretional lifts then Greg is running off the correct mark this weekend? What am I missing here?

Your missing the point. You'll find that many if not all the runner have had some form of discretional lift. Hence the inflated marks - Look at the 120ms!
this is a rare case where the lift has been take off the runner

by Guest Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:51 am

Shouldnt be dragged back at all for coming 2nd unless he ran under Nett, sure move those around him but 12 for 2nd regardless of what "discretion" they applied is ridiculous. What it suggests is the discretion used was wrong, but only marginally, move back 2-4m is the maximum needed. The guy came 2nd moving him back 12 says we dont want you to win.
Jamae for me is the interesting one, moved up 3m, on the Camden result its not needed. Simpson was 5 seconds behind and he gets 3m as well so no closer to catching Jamae.

by NovicePro Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:57 am

Of course they don't want him to win. Receives a 10m lift so he doesn't run last. He responds by finding 6 seconds and nearly winning it.
They would be doing what they can to ensure he doesn't win this weekend.

by Macka Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:19 am

What about the clear favoritism in the woman's sprints! Seem to be the same athletes and teams at the top.
Loxton - Was clearly set up for Hastings to win.
Fleurieu - Round for the win, McAuliffe and Beecham close behind. Sulicich and Byrne an outside chance after keeping the same marks as Loxton.
Jamilla Hartogh-Jennings gets a lift of .75m
McMillan handicapped out moved back .75m. Hastings pushed back as she's been gifted enough this season.

by Barny stinson Tue Mar 01, 2022 11:55 am

Paul young and his boys have gone toe to toe with the SAAL.
Looking at the vision, you can clearly see Jessie pulling up.
Why are they running races in the SAAL and pulling up after complaining about the system.

by Thatsthestats Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:15 pm

Barny stinson wrote:Paul young and his boys have gone toe to toe with the SAAL.
Looking at the vision, you can clearly see Jessie pulling up.
Why are they running races in the SAAL and pulling up after complaining about the system.

Well spotted Stinson. If you look close enough you can clearly see a ghost appear in the white and blue lanes. Maybe they were spooked by that.

by Z Score Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:50 pm

NovicePro wrote:To be fair the reduction in handicap for Greg seems fair to me.
Received a 10m lift at Camden at the Handicappers Discretion on the back of his appeal to make him more competitive as he had finished at the tail of the field most meets.
On the back of the lift, finds 6 seconds from his previous 400m run in the SAAL and nearly steals the win. Bit of a slap in the face to the SAAL I would have thought?

So the discretionary lift has been removed and he has been giving a 2m penalty for his 2nd placing at Camden. Hardly a disgrace.

Totally agree Novice Pro, totally fair for Greg but what isnt fair is Barnetts pull.
Dont forget Gregs improvement of 6 seconds was in 71 days in otherwards 10 weeks , Barnetts improvement of 3 seconds was in 23 days, thats just over 3 weeks Evil or Very Mad

which would you say was the most acceptable.
Also dont forget Barnett got a very generous lift of near 20m when the system was brought in.
I suggest you study the speadsheet a bit more closely.

by Z Score Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:56 pm

NovicePro wrote:
StevieBee wrote:
NovicePro wrote:To be fair the reduction in handicap for Greg seems fair to me.
Received a 10m lift at Camden at the Handicappers Discretion on the back of his appeal to make him more competitive as he had finished at the tail of the field most meets.
On the back of the lift, finds 6 seconds from his previous 400m run in the SAAL and nearly steals the win. Bit of a slap in the face to the SAAL I would have thought?

So the discretionary lift has been removed and he has been giving a 2m penalty for his 2nd placing at Camden. Hardly a disgrace.

Hey NP

So why not drag him back just the 2m. The fact he ran 2nd and is now worse off than the winner is the disgrace. Scrap the system and scrap the discretional lifts.

If you scrap the discretional lifts then Greg is running off the correct mark this weekend? What am I missing here?

Running off what Correct mark , the Correct mark of the chook raffle
By the way Novice pro , your stable has been exceptionally quiet this season

by Baltimore Jack Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:03 pm

Barny stinson wrote:Paul young and his boys have gone toe to toe with the SAAL.
Looking at the vision, you can clearly see Jessie pulling up.
Why are they running races in the SAAL and pulling up after complaining about the system.

“They”? Heard Cordoma injured his calf.
overall the standard up a lot this year compared to last few years. Wonder why?

by Macka Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:26 pm

Barny stinson wrote:Paul young and his boys have gone toe to toe with the SAAL.
Looking at the vision, you can clearly see Jessie pulling up.
Why are they running races in the SAAL and pulling up after complaining about the system.

Jessie was having calf issues from what I understand (cramps). 2 x 120m & 300m before final.

by Guest Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:06 pm

You can see in the video that Jesse grabs his calf. Quality of the field is vastly improved when Youngy has his group running. They went to support the meet in which its considered of particular importance. Seeing the numbers of the past 2 years the fear is if it doesnt have more support it could be lost.
Loxton is a great venue and the town always gives it great support.
The shame is that the SAAL uses handicapping that gives little optimism to run in.
The right people running this and it becomes a great meet again.

by MaxFly Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:09 pm

If Youngy wanted Jesse to take out the 120m Sash he would have instructed / encouraged Jesse not to run a 300m heat before a final. A win in Loxton would have affected interstate marks and that means impacts Stawell.

by SA Whisperer Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:25 pm

[/quote]
Totally agree Novice Pro, totally fair for Greg but what isnt fair is Barnetts pull.
Dont forget Gregs improvement of 6 seconds was in 71 days in otherwards 10 weeks , Barnetts improvement of 3 seconds was in 23 days, thats just over 3 weeks Evil or Very Mad

which would you say was the most acceptable.
Also dont forget Barnett got a very generous lift of near 20m when the system was brought in.
I suggest you study the speadsheet a bit more closely.[/quote]
Hi Zed
Ive been back through results and Barnett has hardly ran any 400m races.
Would expect Floater to scratch from this weekend unless hes loaded with money to waste.

by Handicap Cheater Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:49 pm

MaxFly wrote:If Youngy wanted Jesse to take out the 120m Sash he would have instructed / encouraged Jesse not to run a 300m heat before a final. A win in Loxton would have affected interstate marks and that means impacts Stawell.

This...
100% no doubt
Clear as day

by Barny stinson Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:12 pm

MaxFly wrote:If Youngy wanted Jesse to take out the 120m Sash he would have instructed / encouraged Jesse not to run a 300m heat before a final. A win in Loxton would have affected interstate marks and that means impacts Stawell.

If he had done this in vic he would have revived a UP.

by Handicap Cheater Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:19 pm

Barny stinson wrote:
MaxFly wrote:If Youngy wanted Jesse to take out the 120m Sash he would have instructed / encouraged Jesse not to run a 300m heat before a final. A win in Loxton would have affected interstate marks and that means impacts Stawell.
If he had done this in vic he would have revived a UP.

You say that very confident but I guarantee you there is plenty of athletes doing this out there to not get a penalty and collect prize money, In Vic!

by SA Whisperer Tue Mar 01, 2022 4:51 pm

The second richest gift in the state and Mumbles lets him run a 300m heat between semi and final of the 120m.
One clanger after another.

by Guest Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:05 pm

SA Whisperer wrote:The second richest gift in the state and Mumbles lets him run a 300m heat between semi and final of the 120m.
One clanger after another.

Can Mumbles stop Jesse running the 300 if he is in the 120 final?

Not sure why you would have the program set in a way that has 300's in between the 120 semis and 120 final.

These guys/gals spend their hard earned on entering the events without knowledge on how the program will look, is it any wonder that so many scratch. 70's heats and finals then 120's heats and semi's then 300's heats then finals then 120 finals.
Not to mention the chook lotto that is handicapping, you'll be more selective on what you run and what you scratch.

by Z Score Tue Mar 01, 2022 8:39 pm

NovicePro wrote:
Of course they don't want him to win. Receives a 10m lift so he doesn't run last. He responds by finding 6 seconds and nearly winning it.
They would be doing what they can to ensure he doesn't win this weekend.

I hope you have had a good look at that Spreadsheet Novice Pro.
By the way Barnetts won two races in the last month.
You need to go back 7 years for Whitecross last sash

Jan 01, 2015 2015 Maryborough Highland Games 100 1600 1600m Womens/Masters 3061 Whitecross Greg Final 1 267.241 267.241 380 0.2191
By the way Novice Pro Barnetts result last weekend
1 Mark Barnett 4 281.00m 2:28.55 2:28.55

Also Jamae won Reynella off 50 in 52.04
Goes to Camden off 42 and runs 51.85 at least 8m + improvement in 23 days.
Then gets a 3m lift for Victor.
So got beaten by Whitecross at Camden by .55 but now meets Floater 15m better off
Novice Pro , dont bury your head in the sand like the others , explain why.
If marks stay the same Jamae turns up and goes close to getting himself another sash.
Watch this space as the handicappers response will be golden.

by Barny stinson Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:22 pm

E.T.H wrote:
Barny stinson wrote:
MaxFly wrote:If Youngy wanted Jesse to take out the 120m Sash he would have instructed / encouraged Jesse not to run a 300m heat before a final. A win in Loxton would have affected interstate marks and that means impacts Stawell.
If he had done this in vic he would have revived a UP.

You say that very confident but I guarantee you there is plenty of athletes doing this out there to not get a penalty and collect prize money, In Vic!

https://youtu.be/EQOTnHc8x-w

by SA Whisperer Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:27 pm

Thanks for that Barney , clearly shows after the race his discomfort.

by Barny stinson Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:44 pm

SA Whisperer wrote:Thanks for that Barney , clearly shows after the race his discomfort.

Hmm I think he needs to go do a couple more acting classes,
He’s not sure if he wants to say it’s his hammy or his calf giving him trouble…

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