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Cordoma cops a .75m discretionary pull I assume from the Brighton 70m win, an event that I thought was penalty free?

Top Sport wrote:Cordoma cops a .75m discretionary pull I assume from the Brighton 70m win, an event that I thought was penalty free?

And yet the section for Win Reduction in the formula is empty.... same in the 70m for Jesse. Final mark says 4.50m handicap next to his name says 4.25m, nothing in the Win Reduction section. If that's what the pull is for, sure, but at the moment, many athletes wouldn't be able to understand why they have the mark they have!

So three athletes nominate for Brighton.
Athlete A is allocated 8.25
Athlete B is allocated 5.50
Athlete C is allocated 8.75
Neither athlete competes in the 120m
Same three athletes nominate for Glenelg Oval
Athlete A is allocated 7.50 minus .75
Athlete B is allocated 6.25 plus .75
Athlete C is allocated 8.00 minus .75

So athlete B is suddenly meeting athletes A and C 1.50m better off for neither having run the 120m at Brighton
This is SA open and transparent handicapping system

What a joke!! Logic and common sense is non existent!
Apparently the SAAL still think this is good!! Pathetic!

Kevin Brittain has done the right thing and competed at two saal meetings prior to the Sheff.
Kevin finished behind Athlete B at Mt Gambier .
Kevin has raced once over 120m in SA since The Mount , Athlete B hasnt.
Kevin now meets Athletes B 1.50m worse off than at Mount Gambier yet finished behind Athlete B there.
Dont know why Kevin would even bother turning up.

Definitely some haves and have nots. Santa has come early for a few, eg Scrivens, Semmler 2m! Aston, J Love, Brijmohan

An interesting one from Victoria in Patrick Martin 2.25 above his Vic mark.

Another is Thomas Griffiths off 6.5 when the novice mark is 6m and has not run a single SAAL event?

Analysing the marks the pro system group are well catered for, the anti system group not catered for at all?

Some moving up by .75 to 1.25 range meet others 0.0 to .75 worse off and you end up with a significant 2m difference!

Yes T.S.
If Moschou bothered to waste his $50 his mark was 3.75 at Brighton so he would have been around that mark.
Yet a novice who has same pb time this season would be off 6.5

19. Thomas Griffiths EH 11.09s 13-Nov-21 (+1.1)
20. Michael Moschou WD 11.09s 13-Nov-21 (+0.9)

You have handicappers who I am convinced are either influenced by other people who have no idea or have no idea themselves.
Kevin Brittain has been running since most of the field were just out of diaphers , he aint going to jump out of the trees and suprise you
The distance handicapping is a complete joke , wait and see the distance from first to last in a lot of races.
You have a Chief Steward who cant make the decision of a race on the day.
You have the States major race where 33% are off the limit.

South Australian Athletic League Business Plan 2021-2025 12
7. Bay Sheffield Audience & Competitor Forecast
2021-2025 Bay Sheffield Audience & Competitor Targets

                           2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025
AUDIENCE
Day 1: Audience 27 Dec 1400 2500 2750 3025 3327 3660 10% incremental increase annually
Day 2: Audience 28 Dec 3082 3500 3850 4235 4658 5123 10% incremental increase annually
Total Audience (2 days) 4482 6000 6600 7260 7985 8783 2020 - 1518 shortfall of SATC essential criterial
COMPETITORS
Total Competitors 366 450 495 545 600 660 2020 - shortfall of 34 (SATC requires 400 minimum)
                              20 20 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025
Interstate Competitors 57 113 124 137 150 165 2020 - shortfall of 43 (SATC requires 25% of 400 min)

So what you are saying SA. W. they are well down on the target numbers, what happens with SATC will they payout this year or not? Will they just end up not paying next year?
I said all along once that "business plan" was released the numbers were optimistic and more so unrealistic.
This is year 1, how bad will year 2 look given no increase in costs has been factored in?

Special shoutout to the courageous P Burdett, hope he and his kids enjoy the Glenelg Gift!

Ive been messaged a few times for my Glenelg Gift tip.
Honestly I couldnt care a rats toss
But I think the two athletes that lost the most time between semi and final at Burnside , did they pull up , you be the judge will both be hard to beat.
Pretty sure they are both from the same stable.
Doney is in the mix.
Chalmers has the form.
And for a front marker Williams will give a good sight.

My guess for the Gaanelg Gift is Aston followed by T Blyzno then perhaps Chalmers for the trifecta?
I'll be watching the cricket though!

Top Sport wrote:Special shoutout to the courageous P Burdett, hope he and his kids enjoy the Glenelg Gift!

I hope he wins some races down at Gleneg oval as well.
Handicap racing suit some Coaches who dont need to improve an athlete to win races but rely on handicaps moving out.
Below are the progression times of an athlete I think Birdy coaches.
Would you be still with the same coach if your progression was like that below.
2017 12.74 Adelaide (AUS) 10 DEC 2017
2018 12.36 Adelaide (AUS) 17 NOV 2018
2019 12.15 SA Athletic Stadium, Adelaide (AUS) 30 NOV 2019
2020 12.47 SA Athletic Stadium, Adelaide (AUS) 10 JAN 2020
2021 12.60

SA Whisperer wrote:Ive been messaged a few times for my Glenelg Gift tip.
Honestly I couldnt care a rats toss
But I think the two athletes that lost the most time between semi and final at Burnside , did they pull up , you be the judge will both be hard to beat.
Pretty sure they are both from the same stable.
Doney is in the mix.
Chalmers has the form.
And for a front marker Williams will give a good sight.

Right on the money Whisperer, Aston is almost a shoe in.
Runs 12.479 off 5m in the semi at Burnside Has 6.25 at Glenelg , now if you are a handicapper using discretionary powers to handicap to target time I think thats a bit generous.
I think the handicapper has over looked his terrible run in the final at Loxton where he lost considerable time between semi and final.
And over looked his similar performance at Burnside where he again lost considerable time between semi and final.
Just hope its not a case of the lad not being able to back up for 3 runs on the same day.
Only needs to run like he did in the Burnside semi with 1.5 m and hes almost got his toe over the line.
Like I said hes almost a shoe in and almost got his toe over the line.
Cant say anymore as Ive been sworn to secrecy but a lad off 7.50 may be among the real chances.

Poor return from the nominations on day 1 of the Glenelg Gift, 366 nominations for a return of 258 that actually had a run. Close to 30% went missing.

Geez the Vics that did come over will be pleased to see it appears that at least 1 person got into a final day 1.

Has someone run red and now DQ'd?

Top Sport wrote:Has someone run red and now DQ'd?

Do you know when poor old Mumbles will declare placings official.
After whats happened today the Calcutta is going to be a complete disaster.
What happened to Greg Whitecross was a complete disgrace.

Very intrigued with the 70m 'MENS' race, Cordoma was ROBBED

Z Score wrote:

Top Sport wrote:Has someone run red and now DQ'd?

Do you know when poor old Mumbles will declare placings official.
After whats happened today the Calcutta is going to be a complete disaster.
What happened to Greg Whitecross was a complete disgrace.  

Who knows with this lot. After they do what they can with adjustment are adjustment it could be this week, next week, next year?
How one gets 12m with no 70m data. Novice is 4m. Its not the kids fault its the idiots and/or the system that spat out 12m. Cant say they havent been warned, run in this comp and it will bit you hard on the backside. Dont think it wont, it will eventually.

Leading into the Bay there were discretionary pulls and lifts ect to ensure athletes didn't run red at the Bay this year. So....... TS i agree with you totally. How does someone who has scratched the past 2 open 70's keep his 12m. It's not the kid's fault he ran off his disputed mark but the league was trying to prevent the 2020 70m disaster and they went one better by allowing a kid run a time that would win a Stawell / Keith Patching event. Please explain.....

You can only wonder that perhaps when the lotto spat out 12m for the Keith Patching 70 it was HELLO Merry Christmas. Even so its on those running this thing to get it right.
Tom actually had 11.75 for the Mort Daly 70, didnt and then gets 12 for Brighton. Go Figure!

Didnt the so called handicapping system spit his mark out at 12.75
The System that the league payed out good money for and what they tried to talk the Vics into having.
We get told that you cant preserve your mark by not running
Tom had 11.75 at Mort Daly didnt run then got given 12.00 at Brighton , didnt run and then came out at the Glenelg oval and pulled the handicappers pants down , dont you love it.

So we have a lad who runs 7.482 into a wind reading of -3.1mps.
Target Time is 7.70.His adjustment time is 7.314
Wow thats low flying from a frontmarker.