Toby Schreier Flinders meeting

I am fully aware of the 3200 backmarker running off scratch, and the faster runners having their handicap adjudments staggered so as not to disadvantage the front markers as they have further to run etc I know all that.
But how in the hell did the system spit out FINAL MARK = 325.00m for Jordan Harvey in the first place , only for the chook raffle wheel to be adjusted to 95m

Run Counts Used (athletes under the age of 20 entered in a non junior race category use their top 3 runs):
One Year: 8 Runs /3 Used - Three Year: 22 Runs /6 Used - Five Year: 36 Runs /9 Used

MPS of 1 Year Runs:
5.189, 5.176, 5.17,

MPS of 3 Year Runs:
5.39, 5.389, 5.387, 5.342, 5.337, 5.334,

MPS of 5 Year Runs:
5.39, 5.389, 5.387, 5.383, 5.357, 5.342, 5.337, 5.334, 5.318,

Base Mark
342.14m

Novice Reduction
Runs over this distance category: 69
Proportion of difference between raw mark and novice mark used: 0
Novice Reduction in Metres (Raw mark - Novice mark x Novice proportion):
(342.14 - 250) x 0 = 0m

Junior Reduction
Not a junior athlete

Holiday Reduction
Runs over this distance category this last twelve months: 9
Holiday Reduction in MPS: 0
The target time: 540 seconds
Holiday Reduction in Metres (Target time x MPS reduction):
0 x 540 = 0.00m

Z-Score Reduction
Has run red within the last 4 runs this season (BOTH actual distance and 1up/1down red)?: No
Top 3/6 runs MPS: 5.292 (9 Runs)
Top run MPS: 0.000 (0 Run)
Proportion of Degraded penalty left: 0
Z-Score Reduction in MPS (Top 1 - Top 3/6): -5.292
The target time: 540 seconds
Z-Score Reduction in Metres (Target time x MPS difference x Proportion left):
540 x -5.292 x 0 = 0.00m

The Novice Reduction is the largest of the four values, so it will be applied to the base mark (342.14 - 0).
Reduced Base mark = 342.14m

Win Reduction
Reduced base mark - Win reduction
342.14 - 0.02 = 342.12

Distance Reduction
(Handicap / Race Distance) x Handicap x Proportion Used:
(342.12 / 3200) x 342.12 x 0.5 = 18.29
342.12 - 18.29 = 323.84

Final Mark Unrounded = 323.84m

FINAL MARK = 325.00m

5 Luke Mitchell 70.00 m
6 Tom Lancaster 85.00 m
7 Jordan Harvey 95.00 m
8 Finn Johnson 105.00 m
9 Matthew Konetschka 135.00 m
10 Sean Burton 150.00 m

A 230m ADJUSTMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can Rowston explain this one?
70m open
Baird 2.75
Moss 2.75
only an idiot would think to have a 10.94 100m athlete off the mark as the state champ 10.59 guy.
mossy has run 6.82 for 60m. Baird 7.16. But the SAAL geniuses have them level over 70m. ridiculous.

Hi Baltimore
Those marks for the 70m , Im guess that the saal feels if byou sleep nwith dogs you get fleas and Baird has fleas.How else can I tell it.

Hi Zed
Check out the mark for Matthew Konetschka in the 3200, mark arrived at is 105 , he has been allocated 135, so discretionary been given an extra 30m
Sean Burton had an initial mark of 330 , discretionary pulled back by 180m to 150m.
Its all okay though because its discretionary

Handicapper Notes:

The handicapper is applying discretion for all marks in this race

So if this is the case , then why worry about the chook lotto to start with.
For such a prestige race , I would expect a bit more.
Some athletes have been given no chance what so ever and by meaning that no chance what so ever of getting within a lap of the winner.

Can anyone explain the "holiday" they speak off? Last I checked, athletes don't go on holidays and continue to train ?

Z Score wrote:Handicapper Notes:

The handicapper is applying discretion for all marks in this race

So the 3200 is a discretionary handicapped event but the saal then use the chook lotto which cant handle a 3200m event or cant handle the Red running off scratch.
The reality of all this , is after the event the athletes will then be given a zscore by the chook lotto system.
WOWEE

4.46pm   70m Men – Final and Presentation
4.56pm   70m Women -– Final and Presentation
5.06pm   3200m All Comers -– Final and Presentation
5.16pm   300m Over 35 Heats
5.28pm   300m Novice Heats
5.42pm  300m Under 14 Heats

10 Mins for final and presentation of 3200m

Toby Schreier Flinders Pro Meet - Nov 17th 2019
Event 45 - 800m Mens - Final:
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time Z Score Z Score 1U/1D
1 Ryan Sibbick 3 94.00m 1:49.18 1:49.18 0.00 0.00
2 Nicholas Dallimore Black 71.00m 1:49.21 1:49.21 0.00 0.00
3 Richard McMahon 7 141.00m 1:49.21 1:49.21 0.00 0.00
4 Salvador Jurado 6 117.00m 1:49.26 1:49.26 0.00 0.00
5 Brayden Theil 4 105.00m 1:50.89 1:50.89 0.00 0.00
6 Luke Bero Yellow 59.00m 1:51.87 1:51.87 0.00 0.00
7 Tom Lancaster Blue 56.00m 1:52.55 1:52.55 0.00 0.00
8 Stephen Jelfs Pink 74.00m 1:53.15 1:53.15 0.00 0.00
9 Connor McIvor Red 51.00m Scr Scr 0.00 0.00
10 Jordan Kitto 1 74.00m 1:53.99 1:53.99 0.00 0.00
11 Bennett Maxwell 8 148.00m 1:56.02 1:56.02 0.00 0.00
12 Robert Killmier White 51.00m 1:57.12 1:57.12 0.00 0.00
13 Peter Brennan 10 174.00m 1:58.83 1:58.83 0.00 0.00
14 David Girolamo 2 75.00m 2:04.12 2:04.12 0.00 0.00
Why has the target time for 800m races been increased to 1.54
The time ran today would get you into the bottom of the results of those ran in 2019.
Track today is looking Soft and spongy with a touch of quick sand so some pretty good adjustments coming in the circle events to cover up flawed handicapping.

Z Score wrote:4.46pm   70m Men – Final and Presentation
4.56pm   70m Women -– Final and Presentation
5.06pm   3200m All Comers -– Final and Presentation
5.16pm   300m Over 35 Heats
5.28pm   300m Novice Heats
5.42pm  300m Under 14 Heats

10 Mins for final and presentation of 3200m

9m 25sec winning time last year, (winner will have to sprint over to get the sash before the 300 heats start lol)) with last coming in 11m 43sec it was a 2min 18sec difference between 1st to last, what will the difference be given the genius handicapping this year? 3mins??

Z Score wrote:4.46pm   70m Men – Final and Presentation
4.56pm   70m Women -– Final and Presentation
5.06pm   3200m All Comers -– Final and Presentation
5.16pm   300m Over 35 Heats
5.28pm   300m Novice Heats
5.42pm  300m Under 14 Heats

10 Mins for final and presentation of 3200m

4.46pm 70m Men – Final and Presentation
4.56pm 70m Women -– Final and Presentation
5.06pm David Abbott Memorial - 3200m All Comers -– Final and Presentation
5.30pm 300m Over 35 3 Heats
5.42pm 300m Novice 3 Heats

Good to see Sherlock still reads this forum , we will continue to assist whereever we can

Arguably despite handicapping Jordan Harvey out of any chance of winning the "discretionary" handicapping (historically traditional method) was much better than last year under the systems handicapping.
Just goes to show, have someone in position that actually knows what they are doing and you'll get even better results.

Is that correct Womens 800m approx 7 sec off target time, surely Chook lotto cant be that far out.

I think the system may need a bit more of a jig jig Mens 800m approx 6 sec off target time
Hold out for another rejigging of the system , what number is that going to be.

Z Score wrote:
Track today is looking Soft and spongy with a touch of quick sand so some pretty good adjustments coming in the circle events to cover up flawed handicapping.

So 2 meetings down and adjustments have been mad to cover a flawed system by calling both tracks as slow.
Well done Mumbles.
The challenge is on this week where last season the rock hard Pt Adelaide track was deemed slow and adjustments made.The Port Adelaide track doesnt change much so if it was deemed slow last season it will need to be deemed slow this week.But wait the previous meeting it was Standard and no adjustments,
Dont say there is two chook lottto wheels , one for handicap and one for track ratings.
Cut out the crap ,SA is being mad the laughing stock across the border by sub standard ratings of circular tracks.