Port Adelaide Results

60m Women
1 Ella Byrne 7.50
2 Leila Croker 4.25
3 Melarn Murphy 3.25
7.23

60m Men
1 Xavier Poole 5.25
2 Michael Moschou 2.25
3 Dylan Boyce 5.75
6.58

100m Under 14
1 Lachlan Fanning 9.25
2 Riley Fielder 8.50
3 Jack Combe 5.75
12.53

100m Under 18 Girls
1 Emily Cox 7.50
2 Lilliana Hoffman 6.00
3 Ella Clogg 7.25
11.66

100m Under 18 Boys
1 Alex Dunn 4.00
2 Hunter Griffiths 5.00
3 Scott Delean 7.50
10.83

100m Over 35
1 Ben Abriani 5.00
2 Albert Jamae 10.00
3 David Gross 6.00
11.12

100m Women
1 Ellie Whittingham 2.75
2 Melarn Murphy 4.50
3 Ella Byrne 10.50
11.63

100m Men
1 Joseph McKinnon 9.25
2 Corey Baker 8.00
3 Oliver Callahan 5.75
10.15

300m Novice
1 Jade Dinan 52.00
2 Oliver Sibbick 49.00
3 Tyler Ford 24.00
33.99

300m Over 35
1 Steven Wilson 74.00
2 Brett Stokes 92.00
3 Hayley Kovacic 78.00
34.41

550m Women
1 Jessica McManus 30.00
2 Kirsten Fantinel 105.00
3 Lucie Spurling 65.00
1:23.63

550m Men
1 Rory White 75.00
2 Hayden Petherick 82.00
3 James Grant 104.00
1:10.17

1600m OPEN Mixed
1 Tyler Gridley 130.00
2 Bennett Maxwell 265.00
3 James McManus 175.00
4:16.00

All I can say is that a couple of oldies must have got tired legs sitting in the car for two hours on the way to Crystal Brook.. Check out the results of both , Im looking at the 74 m and 78 m handicaps at the Port.Looking forward to Trevors report $25
Event 660 - 300m Over 35 - Final:
Track Rating:
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time
1 Graham Henderson 1 98.00m 36.79 36.79
2 Kerry Goode Black 80.00m 37.11 37.11
3 Ali Saliu Blue 56.00m 37.36 37.36
4 David Wilczek White 44.00m 37.72 37.72
5 Brett Stokes Pink 88.00m 37.77 37.77
6 Ben Abriani Red 15.00m 38.43 38.43
7 Katanya Nitschke Purple 90.00m 38.54 38.54
8 Steven Wilson Yellow 66.00m 38.64 38.64
9 Hayley Kovacic Green 70.00m 39.52 39.52

Event 683 - 300m Over 35 - Final:
Track Rating:
Position Name Colour Mark Time Adj Time
1 Steven Wilson Blue 74.00m 34.41 34.41
2 Brett Stokes Black 92.00m 35.09 35.09
3 Hayley Kovacic Yellow 78.00m 35.33 35.33
4 James Grant Red 44.00m 36.25 36.25
5 Ben Noblet Green 80.00m 36.43 36.43
6 Sue Turner White 74.00m 37.08 37.08
7 Katanya Nitschke Pink 95.00m 37.29 37.29
8 Graham Henderson Purple 95.00m 38.88 38.88

The White off 74m in a 300!? Surely that can’t have happened. And look at the times. What chance do the vets behind 40m have. Yuck. This was on grass yes? The times are stupidly fast for track let alone grass.

The circular events were run on grass but the 60s and 100s were run on the track.

Up to the Chief to back the handicapper in.
Handicapper adjusts some athletes marks for how they ran at Crystal Brook and then the athletes come out and runs approx half metre quicker per sec and does the dirty on him.
Like I say , this is where the Chief needs to act.
If the winner at Pt Adel had have ran at the same speed as he did at Crystal Brook , with the 8m lift he would have ran around 37.30............but hes ran 34.41.Third place getter just as bad.
You are right Tim , spare a thought for David Gross off 30m............absolute no chance.

How has it gone so crazy so quickly whisperer? At Marion I came 2nd off 15m (ran 37 something I think). In this race I would’ve needed 30m+ to come top 3

timrosen35 wrote:How has it gone so crazy so quickly whisperer? At Marion I came 2nd off 15m (ran 37 something I think). In this race I would’ve needed 30m+ to come top 3

Winner at Pt Adelaide who came off 74m had 55m at Marion.
The handicappers have allocated handicaps to make everyone competable , and as happens all the time someone or some athletes will jump out of the woods and embarrass you.
Shane Grimwade is the handicapper for Over 35s and John Le Ray is his assisstant, so plenty of experiance there.
19m lift from Marion to Pt Adel pretty much answers your question.
I am glad this has jumped out now , instead of Bay Sheffield meeting.
Handicappers need to go Wack now, and move a lot of handicaps back, put out a press release or why would anyone from interstate bother turning up Christmas time for the Over 35
Time for the handicapper, handicapper assisstant and Chief to get angry.

Marion off 55m ........40.37
Pt Adel off 74 ..........34.41
Runs 19m less and 6 seconds faster.
Wilson is one of the most honest runners getting around , I dont understand.
Why not save your mark to the Bay., I dont understand.

Here’s a thought.
How about just handicap in line with the criteria set out in the VAL.
Incremental lifts every time they run if they are OGA, and if they break the ceiling time of 35 secs they automatically come back.
Even if they don’t break ceiling, OGA athletes can come back just as easily as they are lifted if they show rapid improvement.

Actually think target time for Over 35 Men in SA is 36 , could be wrong.
The sooner a National system is sorted out , we will all be better off.
I guess the worrying thing with the 300m at PA is, we are talking about athletes who have been running for many seasons ,getting substantial lifts, suddenly jumping out of the ground.

The quicker SA fall into line with a similar version to Vic the better.
36.0 start time, 35.0 ceiling.
Established athletes have a lift range of 1-2m. OGA have a range of up to 12m but you’d want to be very careful giving out something like that.
If you are established and have proven previously you can run a time and don’t run within 2 seconds of fastest heat time then you don’t get a lift.
Obviously it can be tweaked to suit your number of races and the fact that your grand final is in December, but you need to be working to align with our system or national handicapping can never work.

Really looking forward to Trevors meeting report for Pt Adelaide.
Did he let this one go.Im thinking YES because the lad has the same handicap for Mt Gambier
I have put in Maxwells runs as a comparison only.
What Club did you say.

Burnside 1600m 15 th Oct
4 Gianny Scoleri 3 260.00m 4:07.85 4:07.85
9 Bennett Maxwell 4 265.00m 4:20.92 4:20.92

Pt Adelaide 19th Nov
4 Gianny Scoleri Pink 260.00m 4:25.60 4:25.60
2 Bennett Maxwell Purple 265.00m 4:19.14 4:19.14

Scoleri won over 800m at Flinders off 125m in 1.51.40 on Nov 5th

He won over 8oom in good time at Flinders, jogged at Pt Adelaide and finds himself still on 260m for The Mount.You have to be kidding.Still time to adjust before Mt Gambier.
Under target time at Burnside, wins 800m at Flinders, inconsistant performance at Pt Adelaide....get the red pen out Kym and take 35m off his handicap to bring it back to 225m for The Mount.

Thanks for talking about the SAAL Over35s and handicapping issues.

I am an oldie with some very good historical times in the 300m, including two wins at Loxton, and some ambitions to win a third Loxton Irrigation Centre sash.

I pulled another one last Sunday, a time that would have won a sash on any normal race day, but not this time.

Now we are back in the dark ages about SAAL handicaps, and I recall the progress made during the brief period of transparency.

I said my bit after my most recent Loxton win, under the rising full moon in 2020.

That full moon night, I scored a big number red zed score, and was looking at possible disqualification because I ran fast enough to just win.

So if you want my ideas from three years ago, there is a youtube clip with me prattling on for a few minutes, with a transcript.

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This werewolf awaits the 2023 Port Adelaide SAAL stewards report with interest.

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And where is the gossip about Digby ?

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All that said, what a cold windy start to the season - may the hot northerlies blow for the sacred oldies 120m at the Bay Sheff !!

Love this sport !!!

a minute or two earlier while famous standup comedian Paul Young was quizzing me, Wilson had made a dodgy comment about my age ("You don't look that old - you look eighty").

Everybody is a comedian.

Maybe one day I will get on the podium again ... twice already this season ... and two close 4ths.

I had my best winter in many years, sauna and hot tub every day, and I want more sashes !!!

And I have been getting the best advice from a famous local athlete/coach, about how to do starts properly !!!

I am reliably informed that the legend Brian Hart started running with the SAAL when he was my age !!!

Watch out youngsters !!!

Classification:UNCLASSIFIED
ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE
UP – (Unacceptable
Performance)

Athlete Race/Reason Penalty
Please refer to the SAAL Handicap guidelines for definitions of UP
Rosewater Tyres 300 Metre – Over 35 Final
Steven Wilson Substantial improved performance in race time of approx.
4 seconds from Crystal Brook to Port Adelaide.
Athlete was asked to explain by the Chief Steward via
e-mail regarding his run.
His reasoning was given, however, highlighted his
illness/injuries sustained over winter prior to the
commencement of the SAAL Season.
It was decided by the Chief Steward that because the
athlete failed to report to him his illness/physical condition
prior to race competition at Crystal Brook and Port
Adelaide a fine would be sanctioned. Fine - $25
NAP – (Non-Approved
Performance)

100 Metre Over 35 -
Heat 2
Please refer to the SAAL Handicap guidelines for definitions of UP
Brett Stokes Athlete not being ready to run when placing his block on his handicap
mark.
Action: Reprimand

To:The South Australian Athletic League
Fri, 24 Nov at 3:52 pm
Hi

I have just read the Chief Steward's Report for the City of PAE Sprints Carnival.
Issues arising -

(a) I am named and shamed, after receiving a verbal caution on the day.
I contrast this with the incident at Flinders two weeks ago - at Port Adelaide after heat 2 of the Mitolo Farms 100m Over35s, (after cautioning me for wearing warm clothes while I checked the blocks, and dismissing my explanation of wanting to stay warm in the windy conditions), the Chief Steward said he had also cautioned Peake for the Flinders incident, to which I responded that I did not wish to discuss that at that time.

The Chief Steward then said that the Peake incident was in the past now, which indicates a misunderstanding of my position.

Peake was malicious and I was deeply shocked by her words - no apologies have been made, no regret has been expressed, it is not "in the past" for me.

And now Peake is not named and shamed for the malicious action and words, yet I am named and shamed for wanting to run well.

No delay was caused by my keeping warm.
I have zero body fat and I feel the cold much more than other runners.
I run much faster in warmer weather.

(b) the winner of the Mitolo Farms 100m Over35s was wearing a heavy wristwatch.
Also the finishing form of some athletes looks dodgy in the excellent photos by Jenny Poole.

(c) I love this sport, and my social skills and political skills are not the best ... so I continue to participate and to be grateful for the capability and the opportunity.

Experiences with the SAAL have enriched my life in many ways.

I do appreciate that there are many difficulties faced by officials and administrators, and I do not want to add to that burden without good cause.

Thanks for reading this.

All the best

from Brett Stokes

A lot of inconsistancies are beginning to rear their ugly heads and doesnt look good.
Winner of Pt Adelaide improves by .512 MPS from Crystal Brook to Pt Adelaide , gets given a fine of $25
Third placegetter improves by .464 MPS and doesnt get a mention , Absolute B.S
By the wayWerewolf , .316 improvement is getting pretty close to be named in the Stewards report as well.
Also Scoleri runs 4.07.85 off 260m at Burnside and then runs 4.26.60 off same mark at Pt Adelaide and nothing in the Stewards report, surely the Chief , or his assisstant , or his assisstants assisstant , or his assisstants assisstants assisstant seen it.

[quote="SA Whisperer"]
By the wayWerewolf , .316 improvement is getting pretty close to be named in the Stewards report as well.

Hahaha

Hey I did get a mention and nothing in my defence - while the winner got a tiny fine and a chance to respond and his excuses were logged in the cs's report.

Also I have plenty of alibis, including being motivated to train harder after the "Digby needs a bullet" thing at Flinders.

Were you at Crystal Brook?
The home straight headwind there was 5 or 6 mps, and I had caught henderson and was leading until we hit the home straight and henderson ran past me, after which my hip flexors faded which is what I trained hard on leading up to the Port.

Oldies like me have variable performances, we always have issues, it is not an easy job for the handicappers and if we had transparency maybe we could improve things.

My results are also affected by the weather - head winds are a challenge for me, and I run faster with tail winds ... and the cold affects me a lot, not just on the day but for training.

Hi

An emotional roller coaster for me with the SAAL lately ... starting with the Flinders Guy Fawkes Day incident where I was told that Digby "needs a bullet" and I scratched from the 200m and I went home early and I left my blocks behind and I was in shock for days.

I wrote an email to the SAAL advising my wish to not pursue my protest, and the response advised me that I had left my blocks at Flinders and that my blocks were in the SAAL trailer and that my email would be forwarded to the Chief Steward.

And there was no mention of the "Digby needs a bullet" incident in the Chief Steward's report for Flinders SAAL 05Nov2023.

I had already paid the entry fees for Port Adelaide and my blocks would be there for me, so I worked hard to prepare for Port Adelaide.

Physical preparations and mental preparations were required, and I needed to arrange to leave Digby somewhere safe.

So I turned up at Port Adelaide on Sunday 19Nov2023, ready to try hard to be a good sport and to try to forget about the Flinders "Digby needs a bullet" incident.

So when I was verbally cautioned by the Chief Steward, I tried to explain and to be very polite.

When the Chief Steward mentioned the Flinders "Digby needs a bullet" incident, I said that I did not want to talk about that at that time, and the Chief Steward proceeded to continue to talk about that, in reckless contempt of my clearly expressed wish to not talk about that at that time.

So, after a long lonely day at Port Adelaide with surprisingly pleasing personal performances, I went home to be with my beagle companion Digby.

I enjoyed the photos and videos from the Port Adelaide SAAL event and noted the wristwatch worn by the winner of the big money 120m race, and the poor finishing form of the winner and the 2nd placegetter in that big money race.

For various reasons, I was keen to read the Chief Steward's report for Port Adelaide.

What a shock - I was named and shamed.

I promptly wrote an email to the SAAL regarding various stewarding issues.

And I have consulted the actual SAAL rules - and I now wish to appeal and to complain and to protest.

A
I appeal against the Chief Steward's decision to caution me on 19Nov2023 - the grounds of appeal are that I was not in breach of the rules, and that the action was harsh, and that the action was discriminatory involving selective enforcement of the rules.

I was wearing the correct costume and I was wearing the spiked shoes, as required by the rules.

I was also wearing protective gear for sun and wind and cold, on top of my correct costume, which is not in breach of the rules.

I was doing so in order to stay warm in the windy conditions, as I have very little body fat, and I feel the cold, and the cold can affect my ability to run well and to run safely.

There was no delay caused by my staying warm - I shed the protective gear quickly when about to be called to the start line.

Also, there was no warning to me, which is harsh.

Other athletes were clearly breaching other rules, other more important rules, so the action was discriminatory involving selective enforcement of the rules.

B
I complain against the Chief Steward's decision to name and shame me, and to not give my side of the story, in the Chief Steward's report for the Port Adelaide SAAL event held on 19Nov2023.

C
I protest against unfairness and discrimination and the selective enforcement of the rules.

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Thank you for your attention to these issues.

If there is no prompt satisfactory response from the SAAL, then it is my intention that I will not participate in SAAL events for some time, in protest.

All the best
from Brett Stokes

Digby has been around for , Im guessing 3 to 4 years so why is it now a problem.

SA Whisperer wrote:Digby has been around for , Im guessing 3 to 4 years so why is it now a problem.

(a) Digby was with me at the Port when I won there in 2016 ... we go almost everywhere together and we have been together since early 2016.
So 7 years.
There were a few occasions when Digby had a playdate while I did the SAAL race day thing, but mostly he came with me with a friend to look after him while I was busy running.
Once at Victor there was no support person and I was helped by the Dinans and by Steve McBain, as I recall.

(b) the problem?
The start of the problem is that words were said on 05Nov2023 ... and because of those words, I have decided to not bring Digby to the SAAL any more.

The timing and the manner of delivery of the words were factors in my decision.

Also relevant were the subsequent events at Flinders, including the immediate responses to my protest ... and later on the supportive attention that I saw being given by the SAAL boss to the speaker of those words.

Also relevant is my history of conflict with both of those people.

And perhaps most relevant is my severe emotional reactions.

Also I have felt genuine distress when Digby is barking and causing disruption - even when Terry has been fantastic at making a joke and being supportive - Terry's speakings at the Bay last year were very respectful towards me and Digby.

A couple of days after Flinders, I wrote an email to SAAL to say do not worry about my protest and that I would try to not bring Digby to SAAL events.

i was hoping to avoid more blowback and conflict, but hey look what has happened.

I was cautioned on the day at Port Adelaide, for doing pretty much what I have always done in keeping warm until the last minute before a race.

That caution came with unwanted reminder of the Flinders incident with a claim that Peake had been cautioned ... and an unwanted speech about how the Flinders incident was "in the past".

Then that caution was made very public by the Chief Steward, in a very unfair way, naming and shaming me in the report, giving the impression that I had committed a severe offence and caused delays, and not giving my side of the story.

Then I made my appeal+complaint+protest, emailed last night.

So for me the problem is that I am being treated with disrespect and what appears to be malice, and for the SAAL the problem is more complex - in my view, the reputation of the SAAL is not helped by the "Digby needs a bullet" gang, while they would disagree and say I am the problem.

What do you think?

My two bobs worth is this
SAAL meetings are usually held at a public venue shared by many , so as long as Digbys on a lead at all times and you pick up after him , I see no problem with attending the meetings.However for safety reasons , Digby shouldnt be allowed onto the arena during the running of events .Im not sure if there is a rule that covers this , but if we allow Digby suddenly someone turns up with a Collie or Kelpie who run all day.Chief Stewards in the past have been more than lenient, more so slack , in allowing Digby on the arena , but surely commonsense prevails.
As for your other complaint , if you feel that you are being unfairly treated , simply ask the Chief Steward to show you the rule pertaining to the issue in the Rules of racing.On face value it appears you may have been unfairly dealt with and a simple Come on Wherewolf , we need to run on time may be was all that was required.Dont think it was severe enough to make the stewards report and think that theres a few more issues that he should be worrying about.

SA Whisperer wrote:My two bobs worth ...

Thanks.

You make useful points about Digby - I am glad to have decided to not take him to the SAAL any more.

And I am glad to hear what you think about the mention in the report.